Stephani Anderson AGAIN!

[The Chronicler]

Ok, she's back. I'm going to go ahead and post all the PM's I sent her on the last round of application review.

Here is her original app:

spnunforgiven.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=denied&action=display&thread=4534

Here is the "new" app:

spnunforgiven.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=charactercreation&action=display&thread=4569


On June 6, 2012 after reviewing her application the first time I sent her this PM:

hey there,

I need to ask you to redo your application. First and foremost you need to read the instructions and copy the coding for the application.

You need to get it in the proper format. The coding is in a "box" down below the sample preview of the application.

And it's not complete, which is probably because of the formatting issue. You are missing the face claim part and the role playing sample.

If you are having problems with the formatting, let me know and I'll try to help.

Thanks.

On June 7, 2012 I posted the following on the application thread:

Jun 7, 2012 17:06:02 GMT -8 The Chronicler said:

PM was sent. If not updated and a reply posted to the account to let us know it is ready for review it will be moved to archives after 1 week.

On June 8, 2012 she responded with this PM:

I updated the app and nothing should be wrong with it. If you would please review it that would be great thanks

On June 8, 2012 after looking at the app again I responded back with this PM:

Ummm... You still didn't copy and paste the code for the application correctly.

If you scroll down the post where the application form is, there is a place that says CODE:

You need to copy what's under there all the way down to the end of the text before it says FACE CLAIM CODE:

Then past it into a new thread and put your application information in there. Also, for your Image and Your Avatar/Icon you need to not hotlink back to a site. You need to have the image hosted on a site like photobucket, tinypic or imgur. All of those are places you can get a free account to host your images.

You might want to start from scratch if you're having problems with the code and copy it fresh and start a new thread.

If you need some help, let a staff member know.

Also, when you finished with the revision, put a reply on your thread to let us know it is ready for review.

On June 12, 2012, after hearing nothing further from her in PM or posted on her app, I sent her the following PM:

Since nothing further has been updated or any other contact made with staff regarding this application it has been denied.

This is an intermediate to advanced writing RP. There is a certain standard of writing we expect from our members.

Thanks for your interest in our site.

So, I denied the app and deleted the account. Apparently, she hadn't even read the message I sent on on the 8th or the 12th.

Then she came back today and was kind of snotty in the cbox saying she was peeved she had to make a new account.

I've tried not to be a bitch to her, but this is not the kind of person I want on the site anyway. She STILL can't get the formatting right, though, she didn't read the PM apparently where I explained how to do it correctly.

Anyway... just wanted to document and my patience with her is very, very thin.

AND... Finally, this is what I PM'd her today regarding her "new" application:

Ok, I previously sent you a couple PM's that it appears you did not read before your previous application was denied.

You still have the same problems with the application as you did before.

On June 6, 2012 I sent you the following:

hey there,

I need to ask you to redo your application. First and foremost you need to read the instructions and copy the coding for the application.

You need to get it in the proper format. The coding is in a "box" down below the sample preview of the application.

And it's not complete, which is probably because of the formatting issue. You are missing the face claim part and the role playing sample.

If you are having problems with the formatting, let me know and I'll try to help.

Thanks.

You responded back on the 8th and said you had fixed everything.

I PM'd you back the same day (June 8, 2012) letting you know that you had NOT fixed all the problems. Apparently, you did not read this PM that I sent you on the 8th:

Ummm... You still didn't copy and paste the code for the application correctly.

If you scroll down the post where the application form is, there is a place that says CODE:

You need to copy what's under there all the way down to the end of the text before it says FACE CLAIM CODE:

Then past it into a new thread and put your application information in there. Also, for your Image and Your Avatar/Icon you need to not hotlink back to a site. You need to have the image hosted on a site like photobucket, tinypic or imgur. All of those are places you can get a free account to host your images.

You might want to start from scratch if you're having problems with the code and copy it fresh and start a new thread.

If you need some help, let a staff member know.

Also, when you finished with the revision, put a reply on your thread to let us know it is ready for review.

After not hearing anything back from you, I sent another PM on June 12, 2012 letting you know that I was denying your application. Apparently, you did not read this one either. This is the PM that was sent on June 12th:

Since nothing further has been updated or any other contact made with staff regarding this application it has been denied.

This is an intermediate to advanced writing RP. There is a certain standard of writing we expect from our members.

Thanks for your interest in our site.

You still have the same problems that the application originally had. First and foremost is the formatting. Please read the instructions I provided above in the previous PMs.

If you are having problems with that, you need to let me know. This is an intermediate to advanced writing forum RP and being able to follow the basic instructions is important.

Also, please do not air your grievances in the CBox or get snippy there. Making comments that you were peeved you had to make a new account is not appropriate for the CBox.

I'm a generally nice person and willing to help you, but if you pull an attitude with me or any of the other staff, we will not put up with it.

So, I'm giving you another shot at this. Before we can even comment on the actual application you must get it in the correct format.

Thanks.

[Deleted]

-facepalm- Yeah, I saw her in the cbox earlier. I didn't see anything snotty, though I wasn't entirely paying attention to it. I was not in the mood for her at all.

I actually ended up blocking her on AIM. I legitimately think there might be something wrong with her. I wouldn't be surprised if she legit does not comprehend those instructions.

I'd say if she still can't figure out how to do the coding or if she gets snippy with you just deny her and direct her elsewhere. She gives me an odd "There's a storm a'comin'..." feeling and I don't like it.

[The Preceptor]

It's Stephani you have on AIM? I thought it was that Ashley chick... or are they one and the same?

[Deleted]

Yeah. I think me and Jo are both confusing Stephani with Ashley.

Still, if she can't even copy/paste, man, that's a problem. And she did give 'tude in the cbox over it. I wouldn't give her too many chances.

[Jade Stone]

The saga continues.

Yes, at some point we were mixing her up with Ashley. Figured that out though.

After the PM I sent her yesterday, she sent me the following two PMs today.

#1

I will not be able to get to change the app for a couple of days. But I have figured out what needs to be fixed. Thanks

#2

Hey, I think I fixed it using the code on the bottom. Can you check and see? I'm so overwhelmed right now. Thanks

Then in reply, I sent this today:

Yeah, the format is better now.

Still some issue with the main image at the top and you need to use a larger image. One that is like 450px wide x 350x tall.

Also, take out the extra stuff at the top. Everything down through where it says Code:

And... the Face Claim image needs to be 100px x 100px and to put images in you need to put the url inbetween the image tags like this:

[img*]http://image url goes here[/img*]

(make sure you do it WITHOUT the * though)

Once you get it formatted correctly then we can go through the content.

Thanks.

[The Preceptor]

Oh Joanna you are so much more patient than I

[The Chronicler]

Ok, Stephani finally responded today in a PM.

This is what she sent:

I have updated my app, with your help. Sorry for all of the help that I have been needed. Please take a look and see if anything is incorrect. thanks

This is my reply:

Ok, it is much better now. Still a couple minor formatting problems but, I can deal with that.

I'll review the content and send you a PM on that for some revision.


Thanks.

[The Preceptor]

okay so I read her app tonight and these are the things I think stand out:


1. Her personal style needs more. It shouldn't just be about what she wears, it should be about personal habits, how she carries herself, etc.

2. Personality could use some more as well.

3. She switches between third and first person in her history.

4. Regarding her history, I think we need more information on this old man she refers to. It seems like he just kind of popped out of nowhere so I'd like to know more about how she met him and what the circumstances were regarding his sudden disappearance.

5. She needs to tell us her secret. Honestly everyone being 'cute' about that question is annoying

6. Her RP sample is in the first person. I'd just make sure she knows that her posts here need to be in the third person, past tense.

[Deleted]

Okay, I'm gonna be the bitch here and say: do we really want to go through a revision process this extensive with a member? I mean, if she needs this much help on her app and she can't even write a decent paragraph, technically, without changing tenses or something, do we even want to bother going to the trouble, or just tell her no and move on?

[Jade Stone]

Yes, I actually agree. I mean I already denied her once. I was just trying to give her some kind of chance to get it formatted correctly so it could be read more easily.

Now I would feel kind of douchy for making her fix all that and just saying. "Ooops, denied."

What I will do is not post the denied stamp on there and just give her the one time revision option. I won't give her a complete detailed review just give her something general so she needs to read her app and figure out how to fix it.

Then after that if it's still crap I will deny her.

[Deleted]

Okay.

[Jade Stone]

Ok, this is the review I PM'd to her. I tried to be thorough but not too detailed. I think there is enough to tell her what the issues are but still left vague enough that she has to sort some things out on her own.

I am not putting this in the quote format because it is too long and that font is tiny and hard to read. LOL.


PM Sent:

Hi there,

Sorry it has taken this long to get through this process for you. I'm going to lay it all out for you and I may be kind of blunt. This is not personal or anything but we need to get this done. There may be a lot to read here, but it would be in your best interest to read it thoroughly.

First I just want to remind you that we are an intermediate to advanced writing RP forum. What that means is that we may have a bit higher standards than some sites. Though we do our best to get people in that are willing to work on improving and such. However, there is a point where if you can't function on your own and can't figure out somethings without someone leading you through it step by step, then we have to make the decision on whether you fit with this site or not.

The reason I bring that up is because we have already worked with you quite a bit trying to get your application formatted correctly. You seemed to struggle with that even with some detailed instruction and you still have format and image sizing issues in your application.

This generally means one of two things or a combination of both. 1. You either don't have any experience on an RP board. or 2. You just aren't putting in the effort needed.

Again, that being said, this is what we are prepared to do for you. We don't like having to turn away people so we try to give everyone the best chance we can. Since we have already been through a lot back and forth with you you will be given this one chance to completely revise your application and we will look at it again. If you still have problems after that we can't continue to have you keep revising until you get it right. If it takes that much effort just to apply for a character, it will be even more difficult to get RP'ing on the boards.

So, on with the review.

One of the problems is there seems to be an excessive amount of small problems with the app. That in itself adds up to a big problem and also makes it very, very difficult to review. Hence the focus on the problems in formatting. If we have a hard time reading something, it's hard to pay attention. Whether that is an application or a post. So, it is important to format things so they are easy to read.

There are still errors in the format of the application.

Your images are not near the correct size. Both the top main image and the face claim avatar image.

You are missing the top section header image that should say "The Basics" (take a look at the sample application or one of the approved applications of a staff member to see what it should look like).

Also missing the section header images for the following sections;

History
Additional Info
About the Player

There are some issues with your paragraph spacing in the history section.

There is an issue with the face claim format and color of the text.

/End of Formatting Issues


Over all. Almost all the sections where you need to write paragraphs about something, need some details fleshed out.

Also there are places where you flip flop back and forth in between first person narrative and third person narrative. We write in third person here. You need to at least make your application consistent and be aware that you will need to post in third person.

The Basics:

This section Ok.

Physical Details:

Missing Body Type. What is her body type? How much does she weight approximately?

Personal Style. Needs to be fleshed out a bit. Not just clothing, how she carries herself, how she wears her hair, things like that.

Character Traits:

The listing section is OK.

Biggest Secret. You need to actually list a secret. I think the only person allowed to use the "If I told you, it wouldn't be a secret," was me (Jo) and that was because she was made early on when the site was just beginning.

Personality. This needs to be fleshed out some. Is she sweet? Mean? Stubborn? What kind of a person is she?


History:

Family and Friends is OK, though you should probably indicate that the sister is dead or what her current status is.

Enemies and Rivals. Another formatting error in here with the italics tags. The content in here is OK, though very minimal information.

History. This area needs to be fleshed out quite a bit. Did she know about the supernatural before this Old Man showed up? What do her parents do? Who was this Old Man? What happened to him? Why did she seem to accept what he told her right off the bat? Wouldn't she be a little freaked out if some mysterious dude showed up in the morgue with her family and whispers "vampires" in her ear? There is a lot that needs to be explained in here. Those are just some examples. There is more to this story than meets the eye. We need to know what it is.

RP Sample. As stated earlier. You need to write your RP sample in third person. Also, it would probably be good if you had her interact with someone to see how she responds. I can't exactly put my finger on something specific, but it seems a little flat. It might be because it's in first person. I'm not sure what it is, that's why I'm suggesting you might put some interaction with someone in there. Give her something to do so we can get a better feel for her and how you write her as a character.

About the Player:

You didn't specify what you want to be called OOC. If Stephani is fine put that in there. If you have some other name that you use on the internet to communicate with people, you can use that. It's up to you.

You say you have 5 years of experience in RP. What kind of RP? Have you RP'd on forums like this before? Or some other kind of RP?

/End of Content Review

As you can see. Some of these issues may seem very minor. Some of them are more important than others. However, everything combined is A LOT of things that we need to consider. We read a great many apps around here. If we had to detail this much on every single one we would never get to RP ourselves. That is one of the reason we have the rules that we have and unfortunately sometimes have to deny people.

Like I said in the beginning. This is your one chance to make a complete revision of your application. If you want to start from scratch, it's your choice. The things I made comments on are not the only issues. They are a sample of some of the general things that are problems. This where your ability to create a character comes into play.

Good Luck in your revisions. Please post a reply on your application when you have it ready for review again. We would like to get through this process so, I'd say you have one week to get that done or we will deny the application. If there is a legitimate reason for needing more time, please PM me what the problem is.

Thanks.

[Jade Stone]

Alright. Finally had to just deny this application. She finally got the format down right and then she changed up the character to a demon. Now, if she would have started out with her application at this point, we might have been able to work with her to get it approved.

But, now as a demon there are a whole lot of other issues with her app. Like she is a demon with a devil's trap tattoo on her shoulder and her demon makes lots of friends.

*head desk*

This is the PM I sent to her:

Hello again,

I read through your application again. While you seemed to have gotten the formatting straightened out, you completely changed the character.

Unfortunately, changing the character to a demon, you have a whole new set of issues with the character. We have already reviewed your application several times now. At this point I have to deny the application and say that I just don't think it's going to be a good fit for the site.

Sorry it took so long and ended up with this outcome. We really did try to give you a good chance.

Take care.